Sunday, February 22, 2009

Conv. Nostradamus 2 - Ch.17

The Fate of the Anti-Christ and the World

ALL THE TIME WE HAD BEEN WORKING with Brenda, one important question had remained unanswered. What was the fate of the Anti-Christ? We had seen the horror he would pour upon the world. And we saw that it apparently would progress to the point where there was no stopping him. But Nostradamus saw that the time of the Great Genius would follow, so we knew something had to happen to stop the madness. The answer was found unexpectedly in a quatrain that Brenda had had difficulty interpreting because it contained astrological data. Nostradamus suggested that John handle it, so I included it among the first quatrains to present to him.

Century VIII-49

"Saturn in Taurus, Jupiter in Aquarius, Mars in Sagittarius, the sixth of February brings death. Those of Tardaigne so great a breach at Bruges, that the barbarian chief will die at Ponteroso."

J: (He corrected my pronunciation of the names.) He asks, “Didn't we review this one once before.”

D: Yes, we did, through Brenda. But there were some things that weren't clear, so we wanted an astrologer to go over the signs to help pinpoint a date. (He asked me to repeat the astrological signs.) Saturn in Taurus, Jupiter in Aquarius, Mars in Sagittarius, the 6th of February.

J: He says this quatrain has to do with the Earth shift. It will take place in the early part of the 21st century, and many people will leave the planet at that time. This gives you an idea of when this event will take place.

D: Is this the major Earth shift? Will it come after the time of the Anti-Christ in the 21st century?

J: The Anti-Christ will still be in power. This is one of the ways a lot of his followers will leave the planet.

D: It says, “the barbarian chief will die at Ponteroso.”

E: That represents the Anti-Christ's death.

D: Oh? We were curious about what happens to him.

J: He dies due to the Earth shift.

D: Nostradamus kept saying it was going to be a mysterious event, and he wouldn't tell us more.

J: This quatrain predicts the Earth shift when a lot of people will leave the planet, especially this evil being. He says in your time period you will see the world shift. He's giving me an image of the Earth. It seems as if our poles are moving faster, away from their present positions. As a result, there's a displacement of water.

D: Can he see what is happening to the Anti-Christ when this occurs?

J: He says the Anti-Christ will be swept away in a tidal wave. He and his army will be ready to strike and it will be humanity's last defense against him. Finally, he comes to naught by having an Earth shift take place. Because he believes that his power is omnipotent and that he can control the forces of the Earth – he isn't counting on the tidal wave. No one can control the spirit of this planet. The planet rebels and shakes, and we see earthquakes and tidal waves that affect his army and bring him to his knees when he is swept away in a flood of water.

D: It's interesting that it will take something of that magnitude to stop him.

J: Well, the Anti-Christ believes that he has not just the people of the world in his grips, but also the spirit of the world. He's showing me a picture. I see an entire encampment of different types of airplanes, ships, and vehicles that I have never seen before. And it's all swept away by earthquakes and big water. It will happen very fast.

D: In the quatrain it says this will happen at Ponteroso. This is a word the translators don't understand. Can he explain the meaning of that word?

J: He says it refers to the Alpine area of northern Italy and Switzerland.

D: Is it the name of a place?

J: Yes. He says it is near the place where he will be swept away.

D: Do the astrological signs say when it will happen?

J: He says it will be in the early part of the 21st century. You should be able to find it.

D: Some of our ephemerides don't go that far.

J: You'll have access to whatever your needs are.

It would seem simple to find the date of the shift from the astrological data given, but it turned out to be more difficult than we anticipated. Part of the problem was caused by a mistake in Ms. Cheetham's translation and trying to pinpoint this date became as complicated as a detective following clues to solve a mystery. This search is described in Chapter 29, “Finding the Date of the Shift.” The date we arrived at is given there.

D: Then that will be the end of the Anti-Christ's war.

J: He says his followers will try to continue, but the suffering and pain of the Earth shift itself will cause people to put away their weapons and try to rebuild civilization.

D: Will the Anti-Christ have a lot of world control by that time?

J: Yes, it will be a time of climatic tensions among the people of the world, and a time for the Earth to renew itself.

D: Will our country, the United States, ever be taken over by the Anti-Christ?

J: No. He says the United States is out of the picture. The Anti-Christ mostly reigns in Europe. (Pause) But he's showing me a picture of the United States... afterward. It's mostly islands.

D: After the Earth shift?

J: Yes. It looks like islands.

What John did next was extremely difficult. He attempted to describe the map as it was shown to him by Nostradamus. Looking at a topographic view of the United States without state boundaries is hard enough, but it is even more difficult to look at a land mass that had changed and try to determine what parts of the states were left. There were few landmarks to go by, and anyone would have difficulty. Therefore I do not expect this description to be totally accurate. I think John did an admirable job under the circumstances.

As I had no map to refer to, I relied on my knowledge of geography to ask questions.

J: There's a big island that begins with northern Quebec and New Brunswick, and it contains parts of northern Maine, northern New Hampshire, Vermont, northern New York state, and Pennsylvania. Below that is another island mass that goes south. I see it encompasses the southern Appalachians into West Virginia. There is land around Tennessee, North and South Carolina, northern Georgia, northern Alabama and Kentucky. This whole area is another land mass separated by a strait. Then this is separated by wider oceans from a huge island in the southwest that's almost circular. Iowa, Missouri, and Arkansas are all part of this major island. It also contains land from eastern Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska. Omaha is a seaport. It's also a big city.

D: Saint Louis?

J: No, I don't see Saint Louis. I see part of Missouri and Arkansas are cut in half, according to their present location in the 20th century. What is left is the northern reaches of what would be northwestern Arkansas, southwestern Missouri, and almost all of western Missouri, Iowa, parts of Minnesota, parts of the Dakotas, parts of Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma make a big island that's almost continent size. This is where most of the commerce of the country will take place because it will be the largest land segment with water all around it. Above it I see the Pacific northwest and Alaska combined together as one whole land mass stretching down into northern Colorado and following the mountain chains through Colorado. That's another area that appears to be a continent. Most of Texas is under water, but a part of east Texas and eastern Oklahoma are attached to the large land mass that makes up the Midwest.

D: Is the rest of Texas gone?

J: The sea coast of Texas is gone, and only east Texas seems to be there. Northern Mexico seems to be just water, but the mountains of Arizona, New Mexico and California make up another land mass.

D: Is California there?

J: Parts of California are, but the southern part is not. The mountainous areas are there, but this is separated from New Mexico, Colorado and Utah by another strait. There are some islands that are off this area that wee part of southern California where the mountains are high, but they're like channel islands. They're more like bird sanctuaries with just a few people.

D: What about Florida?

J: There's no Florida.

D: Then what you are seeing looks like a series of islands with water in between. Is the Mississippi River part of the ocean?

J: Yes, that's part of the ocean. The main land mass is where Missouri, Arkansas, parts of Kansas, parts of Nebraska, and Iowa are.

D: I can imagine there would be a lot of cities destroyed. What about New York?

J: New York is gone. Omaha seems to be a very big city. Knoxville, Tennessee, and Harrison, Arkansas are big cities. Jefferson City in Missouri is a big city. Des Moines is the big industrial and communications center. A lot of networkers come out of Des Moines and parts of northern Iowa. There will be a new city in northern Iowa that doesn't have a name yet, but it will be a seaport.

D: It makes sense that land near the Great Lakes and the large rivers and gulfs would be the first to flood when this shift occurs.

J: There will be a lot of water displacement when the continents raise again. The Hawaiian Islands are gone, as is most of Alaska, and the shift has made it a more tropical area.

D: What about the norther parts of Canada?

J: Those areas are other islands. They are more tropical because the polar cap has shifted creating a different climate.

I thought if we were so interested in the changes in our continent, there might be others in the world who would be interested in the re-shaping of their continents.

D: What about South America?

J: South America is completely changed. There is a long island that stretches from the very tip of its southern end all the way north through the whole of Central America. Around that it almost looks like a leaf shape, but it's a very narrow leaf. There's not much land. But there is new land that has risen up in the Caribbean that connects with this. There is a lot of water there which separates it from the islands of North America. It looks like the equator has shifted as well, because a lot of this area will be very moderate in climate but not tropical.

D: Parts of new land in the Caribbean have joined with South America. Are there any other new land masses?

J: Yes. There are new land masses in the middle of what was the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans that are continent size. These have moved up from the ocean bottom. The new land mass in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean is connected to Greenland, creating a new continent. There's water separating it form the islands that make up what was North America.

D: Can he show us what the European and Asian continents will look like after this shift has taken place?

J: Yes, he's showing me the globe. Most of India and the Arab peninsula seem to have gone but there are large islands what make up parts of Asia. Japan, the Philippines and that whole area of southeast Asia is gone, but the interior of what was Russia and China appears to be one huge land mass. Europe has scattered. It has islands running from the interior of what was Spain all the way to Norway. These areas are like a sprinkling of many islands, almost the way the islands are now off the coast of Greece. The two new large land masses are those out in the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.

D: Is Europe separated by water from what we know of as Asia.

J: Yes. There seems to be a lot of waters on its eastern boundary.

D: What about England?

J: Most of England is gone except for a segment of it. It has always been an island, but it's not as big as it once was.

D: And the Mediterranean?

J: The Mediterranean is gone. It is all ocean southward. Italy is not there any more. There is some parts of northern Italy, but most of it is not there. Most of Greece is still intact, surprisingly, but it's an island now. Most of eastern Europe is there, except for Poland. Poland is all water.

D: What about Switzerland, Sweden...

J: There are parts of Switzerland, Sweden, and Norway, but they are all scattered like islands surrounded by water. The water isn't very deep though. It's only about 50-100 feet deep, so they're like islands in a lake. Most of Africa is gone except for some medium-size islands, mostly to the west.

D: What about Antarctica?

J: Antarctica is a land mass that seems to be connected to Australia in some way.

D: It sounds to me as though the areas of the world that are now mountain are the ones that will remain.

J: Yes, it seems that way. Because when the Earth shift takes place, new land masses in the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans will displace a lot of water.

D: Would he be able to show you where the equator and the new poles are after the shift?

J: It would be hard to describe because it really looks out of balance compared to our world.

D: Okay. I think you've told me quite a bit anyway. Did you say that the climates of all these countries will change?

J: Yes. The northern reaches will be tropical. Places like Alaska and Patagonia will be warm. Other places will be moderate. I don't see much cold weather. I don't see ice caps.

D: Then it sounds like the United States will be moderate. Is that true?

J: Yes, it will be mostly a moderate climate.

D: I'm glad we got an idea of what the world will look like at that time. But this raises a question for me. He sees that we are going to have drastic Earth changes, and yet he still sees space travel and exploration in our future. How are we going to continue with our technology after such disasters?

J: he says there will be many people who will carry the new technology to these safe areas.

D: I thought something like an Earth shift would be so drastic that it would just wipe out everything.

J: He says there are many advances that will be made before all this takes place. The government already has places in the northwest where they can continue space exploration if there are major Earth changes. He says it will take almost 10 to 15 years for the technology to return to the level it was before the shift. But at the same time, we will be making contact with extraterrestrials. He says other beings will be there to help during this time. They will help us advance in technology so we can help explore space. He says that they're a bit different from us, but they're still a part of us.

D: I thought it sounded contradictory for us to be rebuilding after such terrible catastrophes and advancing at the same time. But he sees other beings helping us to rebuild the world after the Anti-Christ. I was afraid the shift would mean the end of everything. I thought he meant there would be no civilization left after this occurred because it would be so traumatic.

J: There'll be a rebuilding and an economical use of the land. We will not exploit the land as we have in the past. I have a feeling Nostradamus is telling us not to worry about this because other people and other guides from throughout the universe will help the people going through these transitions. I feel he says, “Do not worry. It is not your concern. Guardians are watching the planet.” He shows me what looks like an angel.

D: The important thing is that we will be able to rebuild our civilizations.

J: Yes. The cities will be much nicer. They will be cleaner. I don't see many cars or things of that type.

D: Well, I wanted to find out the fate of the Anti-Christ because the whole time we've been working on these quatrains, we've been wondering what was going to happen to him. I guess it would take something of that magnitude to stop him.

J: He tries to control Earth's own spirit and she rebels. So he is brought down in her destruction.

I can appreciate how hard it was for John to obtain this type of information from looking at an unrecognizable map. Later, we decided to have an artist attempt to draw a map of this version of the world. This is explained in Chapter 28, “The Drawing of the Map.”


IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT to again refer to the book of Revelation in the Bible and notice how it appears to apply to this prediction. The reader should remember that this Biblical book is full of symbolic references and must be interpreted in the same manner as the quatrains. Chapter 16 of Revelation begins with the pouring out upon the Earth of the last seven plagues by the seven angels.

Rev. 16:2-20: And the first (angel) went, and poured out his vial upon the Earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image. And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and every living soul died in the sea. And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and the fountains of waters; and they became blood... And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and the power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God. And the fifth angel pored out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain. And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the est might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the Earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watchest, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the Earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

- pages 160-167, Conversations with Nostradamus 2, by Dolores Cannon

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